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Post by Sosa on Jul 3, 2008 19:26:06 GMT -5
I know all too well...
As for the PSP being a "success," the actual console sales are only a small part of the picture. Sony's marketing strategy has always been to spent huge ammounts of money for in-house research, development and manufacturing so that they can turn around and sell it under cost.
They lose money per sale on the consoles; especially after they start marking them down. The catch is that they make most of it back on royalties for propriatary media formats and licensing.
Thus, in order for their consoles to be anything otehr than an enormous moneysink, they need to be selling media. The problem with the PSP is that UMD format media was a complete flop. Companies generally chose to pass the additional licensing costs for using the format onto consumers, and what resulted were portable movies with inferior audio/video encoding being priced more than the technically superior DVD versions of the same product. Worse yet, not only were DVDs cheaper, but portable DVD players became cheaper than the PSP as well, limiting its use as a portable movie player even further.
The killing blow, though, was Sony's stubborn refusal to change marketing strategies and focus on the reason that most people bought the system: to play games.
The Playstation 3 launch follows a virtually identical pattern in its marketing strategy, which should be plain for anyone to see. The only major difference is that Bluray technology has effectively won the format war for next generation optical media. Their focus was not on the sale of Playstations to ensure the PS3 was a success; it was to sell Playstations to ensure Bluray became a media standard and they could recoup their losses.
I've got no doubts that there will eventually be a number of fantastic games on the system that make it worth owning, but if you're a gamer... you're going to need to comfort yourself with the thought that your system isn't a paperweight right now because you have a bluray palyer.
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Post by Nauren on Jul 5, 2008 6:44:42 GMT -5
Sony always launches a system that spurns nothing but loss the first year or years of its life...but quickly turn the technology inhouse. PS3 is a break even system already for Sony. In a little over a year. PSP is pure profit with each unit sold as of years ago.
The only company to ever launch with a hardware profit is Nintendo. But its not hard to see why. They avoid technology.
And I completely disagree with the paperweight comment. Resistance, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Folklore, GT5 Prologue, Motorstorm, MGS5...not to mention 90% of the good games out are multiplatform. In fact the only thing you would miss out on without a PS3 is a handfull of mediocre RPG's, Halo and Mario.
I have all 3 consoles...my Wii sits in dust and my 360 hasn't been turned on since COD4. Although come September its going to be all about my 360 for Infinite Undiscovery.
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Post by Sosa on Jul 5, 2008 22:27:19 GMT -5
Gears of War, Forza Motersport 2, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Ace Combat 6, Project Gotham Racing 4, Eternal Sonata... System exclusives are entirely a matter of preference. However, without availability, it doesn't matter. It can be argued both ways; both systems now have a number of excellent games that are only available as console exclusives. The point remains that the greater number of them lie on the 360. While most gamers will not buy a console exclusively for its downloadable content, it can also be pretty easily argued that between the two systems, the 360 has a clear advantage in this category as well. Considering the PS3 is so heavily advertised as an all-in-one media center, the 360 natively supports many features the PS3 does not, and the greater ease of access and availability of commercial downloads on the 360 is undeniable. You can easily: - Download/rent hundreds of movies and televesion series instantly
- Dynamically share and stream media among media center enabled devices on your local network
- Passively stream soundtracks over the integrated soundtrack of your favorite games. Don't like their music? Use yours.
I'll concede that the Wii has had a very disappointing line-up of games for hardcore gamers as well, but calling the 360's clear leads in online content (especially online multiplayer and commercial content distribution,) and much more robust line-up a mere "handful" is a vast understatement. In terms of games that have been critically and commercially successful, the 360's library outnumbers the PS3 by 2:1 easily. I will readily admit, however, that I'm excited to see the future of the PS3. The 360 hardware is clearly beginning to reach its limitations. Developers are finally starting to take full advantage of the hardware, but there isn't much room for growth. The PS3, on the other hand, is a vastly untapped processing behemoth. It's undeniable that the PS3 has a lot more potential for staying power than the 360, which will likely become "obsolete" in a few more years. Now that Sony has won the format war, they can re-focus their efforts on securing third party support and padding out their roster of games. Whether or not they'll actually do that remains to be seen. |
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Post by Xaero on Jul 6, 2008 22:40:19 GMT -5
blue ray was released way too soon. most people have finally replaced most if not all their vhs collections with dvd format titles, and the industry has also really started to port many series onto it aswell. Had blue ray waited another couple of years for release it probably woulda been more welcomed. As it is. Its more of a wait an see if they release a new format within the next year or 2 that will replace blue ray, or if blue ray will settle in. part of me hopes that it just gets replaced within the next 2 years just to crush sony's ego a little bit for releasing something like that so soon after dvd formats were finally starting to become the norm. I mean case in point on it coming out too soon is that if you look at PC game sales it wasnt really all that long ago that virtually all titles began to come out on DVD instead of CD. You now see virtually no new titles come out in any other format that DVD, and yet the capibility of being released on dvd has been out there for quite some time. I'm just not sure if Blue Ray will really be around long enough to get good use out of it before the next big thing
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Post by McClebby on Jul 7, 2008 9:02:56 GMT -5
Bluray have now won the HD DVD war
It hard to compare 360 and PS3 cause each have their exclusive games(which i want to play but have no money)
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Post by Markus on Jul 7, 2008 10:36:33 GMT -5
My video store is packed with Blu Ray titles. But I'm still using a shitty TV... Next door at my parents pisses me off... Anywhere from 22 inch to 42 inch crazy ass flat HD flat screens... Grrr
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Post by lockejv on Jul 7, 2008 15:22:32 GMT -5
blue ray was released way too soon...had blue ray waited another couple of years for release it probably woulda been more welcomed. What? If the Blu-Ray format was delayed, the HDTV consumers would have obviously embraced the HD-DVD format. The Blu-Ray format would have never been produced. Its more of a wait an see if they release a new format within the next year or 2 that will replace blue ray, or if blue ray will settle in. Movie studios, merchandisers, and video equipment manufacturers have already chosen Blu-Ray to be the next generation of optical discs, which will deliver Hi-Def material. It's done - there is no competition, no other options. With a 50GB capacity, Blu-Ray can store 4 hours of 1080p display resolution video along with uncompressed audio. Until the next generation of television sets are released (with greater than 1080p display resolution), and 50 GB isn't enough, Blu-Ray has no replacement. I have no clue when that might be (+10 years?), but by then, there might not even be a market for optical discs with our fiber infrastructure. part of me hopes that it just gets replaced within the next 2 years just to crush sony's ego a little bit for releasing something like that so soon after dvd formats were finally starting to become the norm. You might not want high-definition video, but you're probably the only person on the planet that feels that way. DVD is incapable of delivering HD content (although it can be upscaled). Sony pushed HD content so they could sell HD televisions, so they could make money. And they did nothing different than Toshiba with their defunct high-def format (HD-DVD), or any other HDTV manufacturer. I mean case in point on it coming out too soon is that if you look at PC game sales it wasnt really all that long ago that virtually all titles began to come out on DVD instead of CD. You now see virtually no new titles come out in any other format that DVD, and yet the capibility of being released on dvd has been out there for quite some time. PC games won't be released exclusively in Blu-Ray format for a very long time. And neither will movies, because the technology is too expensive and most consumers can't enjoy the benefits with their standard definition televisions. Blu-Ray and DVD formats will coexist for the next 7-8 years, until Blu-Ray players and HDTV's become cheap enough that the majority of consumers have moved on to them. I'm just not sure if Blue Ray will really be around long enough to get good use out of it before the next big thing There is no "next big thing" at the moment, so it's going to be awhile. |
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Post by lockejv on Jul 7, 2008 15:46:28 GMT -5
Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, and Warner all own a significant share of the intellectual property behind Blu-ray. They'll all get license fees, but they can't get greedy, like the DVD license holders were, because of competition from downloadable content. I believe the main driver behind Sony's decision to push high-def on the PS3 and Blu-ray was to sell HDTV's. That's their core business, and as goes their TV division, so goes the rest of their company. They were hurting because there was no more room for profit on standard def televisions. |
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Post by Nauren on Jul 7, 2008 17:56:14 GMT -5
Gears of War, Forza Motersport 2, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Ace Combat 6, Project Gotham Racing 4, Eternal Sonata... System exclusives are entirely a matter of preference. However, without availability, it doesn't matter. It can be argued both ways; both systems now have a number of excellent games that are only available as console exclusives. The point remains that the greater number of them lie on the 360. While most gamers will not buy a console exclusively for its downloadable content, it can also be pretty easily argued that between the two systems, the 360 has a clear advantage in this category as well. Considering the PS3 is so heavily advertised as an all-in-one media center, the 360 natively supports many features the PS3 does not, and the greater ease of access and availability of commercial downloads on the 360 is undeniable. You can easily: - Download/rent hundreds of movies and televesion series instantly
- Dynamically share and stream media among media center enabled devices on your local network
- Passively stream soundtracks over the integrated soundtrack of your favorite games. Don't like their music? Use yours.
I'll concede that the Wii has had a very disappointing line-up of games for hardcore gamers as well, but calling the 360's clear leads in online content (especially online multiplayer and commercial content distribution,) and much more robust line-up a mere "handful" is a vast understatement. In terms of games that have been critically and commercially successful, the 360's library outnumbers the PS3 by 2:1 easily. I will readily admit, however, that I'm excited to see the future of the PS3. The 360 hardware is clearly beginning to reach its limitations. Developers are finally starting to take full advantage of the hardware, but there isn't much room for growth. The PS3, on the other hand, is a vastly untapped processing behemoth. It's undeniable that the PS3 has a lot more potential for staying power than the 360, which will likely become "obsolete" in a few more years. Now that Sony has won the format war, they can re-focus their efforts on securing third party support and padding out their roster of games. Whether or not they'll actually do that remains to be seen. I never stated the 360 didn't have more...I only concluded that the PS3 isn't a paper weight and gave anecdotal evidence as to why. as far as your three points the 360 can do the PS3 cannot... -Download movies (PS3 has this service coming with Sony backing the labels. Meaning one of the largest publishers in the movie industry is backing this movie service where as the Xbox works on a case by case basis.) -DNLA is functional and just as good on the PS3...but not only is it just as functional as the 360's......I don't even have to use it due to the easily upgraded HDD of the PS3's where I can store massive amounds of data on my 250 gig hard drive. -In game custom soundtracks just started on the PS3...and its not lazy developing or poor judgement that didn't make this available sooner...its the fact that MS owns a patent to a hardware video game device that allows music to be played over the games original soundtrack. Sony has to work around this bogus patent that I personally can't believe was even allowed to go forward. I'll state my original fact that if you choose one console to be a fan of and dismiss the others....you WILL miss out on great games. |
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Post by lockejv on Jul 8, 2008 8:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by Nauren on Jul 8, 2008 9:03:15 GMT -5
No you can use a 7200rpm just fine..your looking at a 5 degree difference on a well ventilated system. In fact 7200rpm drive reduces load times by a second here and there.
There is a backup option in the menu. Its easiest to use a portable hard drive (must be FAT32). Just choose the backup option which takes like 90 min to 2 hours...swap the HDD which takes 5 whole minutes..it will auto install the OS after that.
Finally you hook up the portable hard drive and go to the menu that loads the backup. Everything will be saved...your login info..your demos...your music everything will be just like you left it.
My only warning is make sure your a ginger with the screws and use the exact size screwdriver.....these screws are made of jelly and take no effort to strip.
Those drives from newegg you posted will work with no problems.
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Post by lockejv on Jul 8, 2008 9:20:12 GMT -5
No you can use a 7200rpm just fine..your looking at a 5 degree difference on a well ventilated system. In fact 7200rpm drive reduces load times by a second here and there. There is a backup option in the menu. Its easiest to use a portable hard drive (must be FAT32). Just choose the backup option which takes like 90 min to 2 hours...swap the HDD which takes 5 whole minutes..it will auto install the OS after that. Finally you hook up the portable hard drive and go to the menu that loads the backup. Everything will be saved...your login info..your demos...your music everything will be just like you left it. My only warning is make sure your a ginger with the screws and use the exact size screwdriver.....these screws are made of jelly and take no effort to strip. Those drives from newegg you posted will work with no problems. Thanks, good to know. I have a USB WD Mybook which I've connected to the PS3 before - can I back it up over USB? Not sure when I'll upgrade, not really necessary yet. But I know that it won't be too long before I'll need the extra space. |
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Post by Nauren on Jul 8, 2008 9:35:46 GMT -5
yes USB is fine. Thats how I did mine....with a Mybook actually.
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Post by Ruuk on Jul 8, 2008 11:11:57 GMT -5
I'll state my original fact that if you choose one console to be a fan of and dismiss the others....you WILL miss out on great games. That nearly sums up my thoughts in regard to these worn-out fanboy conversations. It's the same old stale debate that started 7 years ago or whenever Xbox hit the scene. Every time I read shit like this it reminds me of school lunchrooms as a kid. The constant comparing and contrasting lunch boxes with classmates. Sure, each has its own flashy design or stickers on the outside but they're all made out of the same plastic or metal. At the end of the day, do what makes you feel the happiest with your free time. Life is too short to nitpick the details on a micro level. |
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Post by lockejv on Jul 8, 2008 12:35:16 GMT -5
yes USB is fine. Thats how I did mine....with a Mybook actually. Haha...mine runs pretty damn loud. Have to put a coaster underneath it, otherwise I can hear the fucker humming from across the room. It's eSATA and USB, but I haven't been able to get it to work with eSATA. I tried with the external eSATA port on my desktop's motherboard, and with a PCMCIA eSATA card on my notebook...no luck with either. Haven't really researched it to try and get it working though...don't use it enough. |
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