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Post by estara on Dec 31, 2005 14:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by _Code on Dec 31, 2005 15:27:10 GMT -5
Unfortunately, love is a chemical reaction. I could disagree with you about that..... >,> Please do. Very interested in how your going to argue with a scientific fact. Actually, if you really want to be technical every emotion is a chemical reaction, its just that love can be reproduced by massive consumption of Cocoa leaves.... But I digress. _Code |
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Post by tarick on Dec 31, 2005 17:06:59 GMT -5
its just that love can be reproduced by massive consumption of Cocoa leaves Cocoa leaves huh? How's that work exactly? I usually just use my hand. |
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Post by Jonathan on Dec 31, 2005 17:28:58 GMT -5
Science and philosophy don't mix. I can call the Sun the God of Life and you can call it a burning flame of gas, we are both right. Scientists also tweak a lot of data and produce surveys with a lot of bias in order to provide results that they want in order to get over their insecurities of how the world works.
(<3 Philosophy)
You say a kiss is the enjoyment of septum being absorbed into the skin, I'd maintain it's love. Both are right.
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Post by tarick on Dec 31, 2005 17:35:04 GMT -5
Science and philosophy don't mix. I can call the Sun the God of Life and you can call it a burning flame of gas, we are both right. {Um...}{/no} |
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Post by tarick on Dec 31, 2005 17:55:54 GMT -5
New subject on my mind tonight.
Does this describe anyone else?
When I'm with a group of people I've gotten to know, at least a little bit, I'm great fun, I crack jokes, make people laugh (with me, at me, whatever). But when I'm somewhere where I don't know anyone, or only 1 or 2 people, I'm terrible. I'm shy, I don't like to say much, I suck at small talk.
I've been invited to a new year's party where I only know the hosts. Usually, in cases like this my wife would be there, and she's as extrovert as the come, so I can stay quiet.
I remember being the same way with girls. Introduce me to them and give me a setting to get to know them for a bit, and I could be myself and could usually find success. Try to pick up a girl I've never met, though, and I'd crash and burn.
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Post by alanthiana on Dec 31, 2005 18:01:24 GMT -5
*laughs* And Tarick hits it perfectly.
I've said many times that I'm shy, and no one ever believes me. But I'm the exact same way. I can't do small talk at all. Even with customers, I can't stand it.
In high school, I had the biggest crush on my best friend, and couldn't tell him. I sat there, watched him go out with my sister, my female friends, everyone...and couldn't say a word >_<
My relationships have either started online, or at work, both of which situations where I am usually not so shy. If I tried to talk to some random guy at a bar...well...I can't say. Never got that far lol
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Post by Markus on Dec 31, 2005 18:33:21 GMT -5
When I was really young, I wanted to fit and be the class clown. I wanted everyone to like me. So I cracked jokes, fucked around and rebelled... In like grade 9, I changed -completely-. Fuck off, fuck you, you dont live in my neigbhorhood I dont give a fuck about you... I just went to school, did my thing and went home... Around that time teachers dubbed me 'anti-social'... So now I'm like 16ish. Not shy, very outspoken (when spoken too), but quiet. Quiet guys don't get girls, at all. Mind over matter. I forced myself to talk to random girls, everywhere. Girls who didnt know me at all... At the beginning it was hell. Sweaty palms, st-st-st-stuttering, nothing to say... Mind over matter. Breathe. Take your time when speaking. Observe them for a bit if you can. Lol no dont stalk them, but take a good long hard look at them... You can tell -alot- about a person by observing how they dress, walk, hygiene, jewelry, tatoos.. After you observe them, you might get an idea of a conversation starter. 'Wow what a nice tatoo, did that hurt?' Lol teasing is always fun, most people can take a joke. 'Your from Toronto? What ever happened ot that hockey team from Toronto... What were they called a again?' Lol I have to go to a party tonight too. My g/f likes to dance. I dont like clubs much, everytime I have gone out in the past, the night ends in violence or drama... Always something, so the entire scene just turns me off. So tonight, we are having a small get together with someone we both used ot work with and her b/f and I assume some other guests... Now I dont wanna go. Lol I rather stay home and have a quiet evening with Natacha or a quiet evening online with you guys  . But she is always pestering me to do the club thing and I wont. So I said I would do this... The social aspects concerns me, but it isnt overwhelming like when I was in High School. I just think the night is going to be boring :/ I guess we will have to wait and see... Anyways, I think the majority of people feel the same way. Some more then others.... All I do at work now is rant on these forums and time passes by so quickly! Lol, thank you! |
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Post by tempus on Dec 31, 2005 19:09:24 GMT -5
Tarick, the personality type you are describing will fit a lot of us... Its because our personality type is drawn to online games. The anonymity of the text and avatar allow us to open up to strangers easier than face to face.
And yes, Im that way too, least to an extent. But then with me its partly being reserved, and partly being a snobbish arrogant asshole who looks down on others. (Least thats what Ive been told...)
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Post by estara on Jan 1, 2006 2:22:23 GMT -5
I could disagree with you about that..... >,> Please do. Very interested in how your going to argue with a scientific fact. Actually, if you really want to be technical every emotion is a chemical reaction, its just that love can be reproduced by massive consumption of Cocoa leaves.... But I digress. _Code well yes, all emotions are chemical reactions. but no, cocoa leaves do not recreate the effect of deep attachment to another person. this is high subjective, but I'm going to relate it back to me. I fell in love online. None of the usual chemicals that create attraction were involved (you know, those sniffy things that end with "moans" (expects a remark)). I am quite strongly attached to the person you know as Bowmen <3 and was quite strongly attached to him before I was ever able to meet him in real life. I do not believe the feeling I am experiencing is felt for an imaginary person, or some idea of who he is with no basis. I am very self-analytical and have thought about it a good deal. I have been lead to the idea that the thing we call love is a purely cerebral thing. That is, I love the mind of the person before I ever knew the person bodily. I do not know why this is, or how this is. I know that chemicals are involved, because our bodies are made up of chemicals. But I do not think deep attachment is purely a chemical reaction that happens to another's presence. People have one night stands and do not consider themselves in love. The interaction was based on a chemical reaction. Perhaps if they took the time to get to know the other person they would find that they would care about them a great deal. My point is that I consider love to be something that forms as you get to know someone more. They interest and intrigue you. You come to respect them as a person and care for them as a partner. This may be rather ideal, but that's my idea of how lasting love is. I could not imagine living with someone whom I did not like and respect, even if I felt passion for them. On the subject Tarick just brought up, I too am an introvert. The process of becoming more social has been long and drawn out. It started with my first job (at McDonalds of all places... only thing good about that job is that I don't have it anymore), and has become excellerated in college. I am still not very social. I don't go to parties (except in FFXI.... >,>), I don't hang out with people, I'm not good at keeping in touch with friends. I can only converse well with people whom I know intimately or when I am talking with classmates about a subject from class. And I most certainly never act the way I do in game in real life >,> |
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Post by alanthiana on Jan 1, 2006 3:01:43 GMT -5
And I most certainly never act the way I do in game in real life >,> omg, ditto >_< |
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Post by tarick on Jan 1, 2006 4:28:38 GMT -5
Love itself is defined differently by every person. Yeah, the feelings associated with it are just a chemical reaction, as are all emotions, sensations, thoughts, everything. Each touch of the keyboard initiates a stimulus in the brain.
I as someone who began dating my wife over 7 years ago, is going to have a much different view than someone who just got married, than someone who is still not sure they want to get married, than someone who hasn't found that person they are ready to commit to.
To some, I may have gotten married for the wrong reasons. To others, they may be the noblest. What it represents to me is a commitment between 2 people to live together, to raise children together. We have made it through rough times, and will have more I am sure, but the commitment is strong.
My point is, why argue semantics of something is indefinable as love? It is what it is to you, and that's as all it will ever be. I feel the same about the other subjects. Why try to define how someone lives by a theology, when everyone lives their life in a unique manner?
I went to the party tonight. I had fun. I found myself wanting to turn around the whole way, but just wouldn't let myself consider it. For me, this is one of my biggest fears I wish to conquer, the fear of what other people think of me.
I'm also rambling cause it's 4 AM and I just got home from 7 hours of New Year's Party.
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Post by isabo on Jan 1, 2006 4:33:06 GMT -5
I find that the longer I am in the army environment that more social I have become, out of necessity. When I was younger I was very antisocial. When I would move from one place to another, change summer camps, jobs, schools etc., I would leave EVERYONE behind. When I left college I had two friends that I still kept in touch with, one I had known from summer camp and the other from my study abroad program in college. I hated parties, mostly because I was one of the few people who didn't drink in college and I always felt inferior to the "hot chicks". I was always the gal pal but never the love interest.
When Aidar and I were living in NJ I came up with every excuse in the book not to go out. He had already established a friend base and I didn't know anybody and the idea of trying to get to know people scared he crap out of me. I just didn't think I had anything to offer them in conversation. Aidar is the most social person I know and everyone loves him so it's a hard act to follow. You can imagine how I felt about moving to Germany of all places and then having Aidar leave.
Well, it hasn't been that bad. I've had to open up more. It took a conscious effort at first but now I find that I actually initiate contact (this from the person who would screen her calls and rarely, if ever, actually take any.) For me, the more life experience I have gained and the more confident I feel about who I am and what I have to offer people, the better off I am in social situations. It's taken me a long time to get here but I'm glad I made it.
Now I need to take my hot husband to a High School reunion, strut our stuff for a while, and then have him blow the place up. LOL Me bitter? No way.
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Post by mirowr on Jan 1, 2006 16:04:23 GMT -5
New subject on my mind tonight. Does this describe anyone else? When I'm with a group of people I've gotten to know, at least a little bit, I'm great fun, I crack jokes, make people laugh (with me, at me, whatever). But when I'm somewhere where I don't know anyone, or only 1 or 2 people, I'm terrible. I'm shy, I don't like to say much, I suck at small talk. I've been invited to a new year's party where I only know the hosts. Usually, in cases like this my wife would be there, and she's as extrovert as the come, so I can stay quiet. I remember being the same way with girls. Introduce me to them and give me a setting to get to know them for a bit, and I could be myself and could usually find success. Try to pick up a girl I've never met, though, and I'd crash and burn. I am only 18 years old, but I used to be the same way as well. I was always a real shy, quiet kid, pretty much kept to myself and the few friends I had. Meeting girls was rough, my high school (grades 7-12) only had about 600 kids in it. Everyone knew everything about everyone, it was terrible. Like all schools, it was very clickish but I had my friends and that was all I needed or so I thought... Then the hormones went-a-ragin' and I found myself in need of love (what's that?). I don't know how many people would do this but I actually talked to my dad... Now my dad is not a shy man. He's the type of person who can strike up a conversation with anyone and put a smile on their face with a really lame joke. And he told me something very important when it comes to meeting people; you just have to not give a fuck and be yourself. if they like it they can take it, if not then they can send it right back. my dad has had plenty of drinks thrown in his face as well as many hands but he doesn't care and he laughs about it. so I took that into consideration and over the past 3-4 years I have become much more outgoing and I'm more or less the same way in real life that I am in game (outside of being a cat-woman), I say whatever and do whatever. Nothing to talk about? Talk about how there's nothing to talk about, shit I don't know. So yeah I'm not very good at putting thoughts into words but I hope you get the idea. |
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Post by tempus on Jan 2, 2006 7:49:56 GMT -5
So yeah I'm not very good at putting thoughts into words but I hope you get the idea. Awww we wub you anyways, you spaz. -t |
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. But she is always pestering me to do the club thing and I wont. So I said I would do this... The social aspects concerns me, but it isnt overwhelming like when I was in High School. I just think the night is going to be boring :/ I guess we will have to wait and see...
