So be it.

[fluffnstuff]

Ohh Code.. everyone is full aware of your ignorant nasty mouth.... so please feel free to be yourself as you always are.!!!! LOL i cant even tell you how many people have left this LS because of you.. its sad really how you talk to people and degrade people and EO just lets you do it .... LMAOOOOO their problem now !!! not mine anymore


People need to make shit up about me instead of addressing the problem ... that is fine with me..!

Your problems wont go away with me or anyone else leaving cuz you will always have the people that dont want to deal with it.....

I am glad this came about today so i can see what we really were in the LS .. and i was shown the truth about a few people that i was warned about in the beginning....

[_Code]

Lady, you dont know the beginnings of my "ignorant nasty mouth".

And you feel free to punctuate every scentance with "LOL" like that makes you young, and up on current methods of speech.

Again, the door is that way.

[nedicinevi]

This thread is cringe-worthy on all ends.

[jerric]

Something doesnt fit right, and i dont mean the fact that im still here<_<. Aparently everyone on here is assaulting you and making up lies... rather than addresing the real problem... that it? Time for me to go abck to school and re-take some reading comprehension classes, cuz your post was about the equivalent of commin on here and sayinf "AIDS kills, and i dont like it". Maybe try giving more a specific issue to resolve than simply stating "the degrating chat on LS offends me" then assume because we dont know what specifically you mean, we're ignoring you. Again, reading comprehension down the toilet, because that makes no sense to me at all.

I have to walk away because im not helping any. I posted, actually, in your defense fluff. Your a great player, and in spite of this, i still think your a decent person. I must be missing something entirely because i dotn see how anyone can address your problem when you make such an open ended post, then immediately get defensive. Maybe if you addressed our issue with trying to understand the proble, it wouldnt have come to this, but seems a bit too late for that now. regardless of how you chose to leave, or how you feel aboutt he LS, you'll be missed. best of luck to you.

[fluffnstuff]

isobo i would be happy to ... and i am so glad you asked.. for one.. I am offended how Codene comes in the LS and says stuff like
The Fat Fucking Cat Ladies.. and the Gay remarks that the makes.. lemme tell you something i have gay friends and people that are related to me and that is extremely offensive to me .... I even go as far as taking off my Pearl to avoid seeing this in LS where it should never be... I am offended at the remarks made by a SH towards women in this LS .. thinking its ok to just assume its ok to talk like that to some of us.... .. I am offended at the fact that when i try and talk to a SH about it, i get called a liar or completely ignored or told to just forget it they are the way they are and never gonna change.... I am tired of trying to feel at home someplace that i am not wanted and i feel like i have to defend my family and friends from the remarks of others in here...
I was so appauld by what Stahn did last month that i did not come on for 2 days... How in the love of god can any LS let this happen.. ?? Let people offend others races and the way they live like that .. I was offended by the Gay Gerble comments made my code and the way he talks in LS .. its offensive and degrading to others... I did not want to get into specifics in this thread.. but hell i been banned from other threads now so here it is....

I am saddend that they jump on people that are leaving and think they had this all planned and plotted out... they would never do that.. NOR did any of them USE this LS to get anything.. they work their asses off for this shell, as i have many a nights for people .. as they have for me when i recieved something...

I am offended that people are called Morans and idiots and told they suck in front of the whole LS.... that is totally uncalled for, exspecially from a SH'er ..

These are a few of the more detailed things that i talked about.. now you all can see them and see why when i post and get called a liar i am pissed ?

OPEN your eyes and start to listen to some of us..maybe things could be alot better in the LS if you do

Fluffers

[_Code]

What does Isabo have to do with any of this? You think she left because she got offended? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH You dont know half that fucking story.

1) STAHN ISN'T IN THE FUCKING LS ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THAT SITUATION

2) When have I ever made a gay "gerble" joke? I try to remember my funny ones and I haven't made a Richard Gere joke in ages. And there were Fat Fucking Cat ladies in my house, thats what they were, and I was talking in jest. Were you offended, you should have opened your fucking mouth and said something. How do you ever exist in society being so easily offended?

And Newsflash, I have gay friends too.

3) Aerya and Imoh leaving WAS FUCKING PLANNED OUT. step 1, Read. step 2, Comprehend...

4) Are you using the term "Moran" as a form of Internet-Speak; and connect with the hip, "in" crowd? or do you really not know its spelled "Moron", Moron.

5) You bring these points up, NOW, after the fact. What SH did you bring it to when it happened? Cause noone approached me, and I PROMISE you, anything I have said that someone felt was over the line and brought to a shell holder, a Shell holder told me about it INSTANTLY, and I appologized.

If you quit, you quit. Peace, dont let the webpage hit your typing fingers when you close it.

Christ, fuck this conversation, I'm not having a battle of the wits with an unarmed person.

_Code

[alanthiana]

Code...insults never get anyone anywhere.

Since Fluff has ignored every single post that I've made, pretty much directed to her, I doubt this one will get read.

I've never seen anyone insulted like that, other than Itachi insulting his FRIENDS who insult him back. I've never seen anyone make a racial statement, and stay in the LS.

Yes, Code has made off-colour comments. I'm sure there are other people that don't like them either. He honestly doesn't do it *that* often.

I shouldn't post this, but several weeks before they left, Bale came to me, stating the mistrust Bale/Aerya/Imoh had with Tempus/Markus/Krazi/Miruuk in regards to the LS bank. He asked me if I would leave the shell if he did. They were already considering leaving the shell. It isn't something they are "being jumped on for".

The problem is that the entire story wasn't brought to light. Just the parts of it people thought were "need to know". Which leaves holes that get filled in with incorrect information.

[_Code]

Calm, Rational, Educated discussion hasn't gotten through to her yet either.

[fluffnstuff]

Ally i have read all of what you wrote.. and i agree with everything that you said..... i am just so tired of the way some people treat others.. instead of addressing me he insults that i misspelled a word wrong, and he insults my age and throws out his names like he always does..Yeah this is someone i want to be in a LS with... NOT!!

You and X are the only ones that actually cared what i wrote about things.. Believe me .. i am not the only one that feels this way .. I am just the one elected to write it and take the flogging for it.. my 1st and formost intentions was to have addressed things that other members of the LS tell me that offend them also. Things i see sitting to the side .. Not taking sides. But i get called a liar.

This started out rational and turned into irrational when people once again start slinging names and accusing instead of addressing the problems...
Ally i am not wanted here.. i can see that from the posts ..... and we now know that JJ is not wanted concidering everything in these posts came from me and not him whatsoever and they banned him from the site also.. so its ok .. We will just walk away with a big hug to all our friends that we have made
AND a big thank you to all that have helped us in anyway and used their time help us accomplish a goal.

Fluffers

[nedicinevi]

(this is in reply to post #110)

The linkshell discussion can be a bit much at times (and sometimes, as you mention, a bit too much), but I decided to let it not bother me; with 30+ people, it is difficult or even impossible to never have discussions that are offensive to anyone and still allow everyone the freedom to speak their mind. Tactfulness is awesome, but as this thread shows, there are times when we all lack it. We can be tacky; we can be edgy; we can be adult, but we should not let it get extreme. I know this will not help how you feel (I know, "not let it bother me" is not a solution for some people or topics); I am just stating how I feel.

Insulting other linkshell members (including their skill and knowledge about this game) in public is also uncalled-for.

Some people definitely were picked over others for alliances all the time. It would be better for the linkshell if people were rotated around more often so everyone would gain experience and practice. But surely you know that if we both were in sky, you were going to be in the main alliance and I or any other WHM not.

I look at items and monthly payouts as being used to help strengthen the linkshell in the future, not as rewards for past commitments. That is why I strongly disagree with those that wait until after they have spent their points and received their items before they leave the linkshell. If one decides to leave the linkshell, he/she should leave then, and not wait; why continue being in a place you don't want to be in?

To person that asked me this question, please correct me if I was wrong, but you recently asked me a question (maybe it was during a recent sky run?), and to which I replied, "yes, I think so." What was the question? Was it "are you happy in EO?" If that is correct, then my answer still stands (though it could do without the ambivalent addition). If I am wrong, please forgive me; I'm just an idiot.

[nedicinevi]

(I don't know what really happened so I am just stating what I think might have happened.)
Most likely someone jumped the gun and also removed JJ's access when you said you quit, making an assumption that he would also quit. A mistake made in haste.

[tibent]

I'm gonna miss running 25+ miles when I come back ; ; (had to lighten mood a little)

[tarick]

cynric said:

Perhaps the question is what is this relationship we have here. On some level EO is a business. Are the members employees or are they stockholders.

I've honestly felt that way before Cynric. After thinking about it though, I realized that it didn't make sense to try to define it that way. We'd like to be the stockholders, with everyone having the same input, the same stake in the company. But it's really not realistic. It's hard enough to have 10-15 people making relevant decisions about the direction of the LS, etc. EO isn't an employer either. They welcome those who first arrive. Some mesh, some don't. Those that don't will wind up leaving. It's a group of friends, that's all it ever was supposed to be. I hope that you've met people in the LS that you've come to consider as friends.

And there are going to be hard feelings when friends part. Sometimes the friendship is strong enough to last through such parting, sometimes it isn't. I left an LS for EO. There were hard feelings all around. We remain friends after all this time.


As for the LS Bank.

A while back, our bank was starting to grow beyond what we needed, and nobody was asking for squat. So rather than let it sit on a mule, the vote was made to start payout. Meanwhile, the bank still paid for things like Dynamis. therefore, there's not all much to the bank (10-20 mil or so, alot of us are worth more than that). Meanwhile, people have been getting payouts of over a million some months, all based on points earned minus points spent. The LS bank was just something that never got calculated, cause the money was always in flux as things were bazaared/sold. Now that it has become an issue, the SH have stated that they have no problem posting it. So realize, it's not an issue, it never was an issue.

I'd like to think that I was/am friends with each and every one of you in the LS. I logged on for the first time in a month last night....do you think it was to see all the shiny gear I had collected?

[fluffnstuff]

Nedi you are so right... you cant gain experience if you dont rotate them to do it..... it took me several times before i knew exactly what tank needed on what god and what to expect for healing...

And for almost 9 months i have ignored alot of things that were said in LS .. but at some point it just got rediculous, and when others start commenting on the same things that are happening you can see it does not offend just you but others also.

This whole thing saddens me the way i was treated by some and the way JJ was pulled into this and he had nothing to do with it.....

Thank you for the post Nedi it is greatly appreciated
Fluffers

[fluffnstuff]

Tib i miss you already !!