To those that departed.

[Markus]

Just an FYI in case you were wondering or doubted it for a second. We will honor payout for anyone who has already left and for anyone who will leave. Just look for SeeDBank sometime around... June 5th or so. Usually in the evenings at like 9ish PM EST.

Thanks.

[Markus]

One last thing, I moved a couple of threads. Eveyrone knows wich ones. They were not moved to censor anyone. But moved because most people are getting on with there gaming lives...

[Markus]

Some people are still leaving on the pretense that we are thieves. Look at my sig, does that man think we are thieves? He was angry and said some shit he didn't mean, so did I.

No one. In [EO]. Has ever, ever stolen -anything- from the bank. Ever.

"Please forgive them for they know not what they do"

We forgive you in advance. You are being lied to and deceived. When the truth comes out, you may return and will be /welcomed with open arms. Until then friends...

PS: Whatever happened to innoccent until proven guilty? No one even asks for my version. They just quit :/

[Bridger - Retired Paladin]

markus said:

PS: Whatever happened to innoccent until proven guilty? No one even asks for my version. They just quit :/

Markus, the ones that quit over a rumor, well, we're better off without them. Please don't waste another second on people that will show such little respect towards others.

[lolAerya]

I´m using Aerya´s account to write this, I deleted my account since some drama real started.

This is Imohtep by the way.

After some fights started between me and Markus, yes I agree I was unffair to him. I have him as a great friend, like others sackholders. I was unffair mainly because I owe A LOT to EO.

I wouldn´t be half of my WAR if I didnt join EO.

After all fight I talked to Markus, we discussed, we fought and probably we cried. We have much respect each other.

Markus talked to me and said I call him a thief, I never did that. The people who followed me, their main reason is because we are friends and they trust me, that´s the only reason. And I´m sorry If someone gets pissed at me, I really dont care. I care about my friends and the new friends I´ll make in my new path.

LOL and yes Bridger, you really dont need me or Aerya or Bale. It´s easy to replace us. The same way you dont need us, we dont need members like you, who goes to events when is intersting to you.

I talked to Markus my reasons why I left EO.

1) I told him I felt backstabbed as a SH when some of them decided to keep bank balance in secret from Aerya (who started thread), me and Bale. That´s the reason I dropped my sack. Your post Beren, lol, you are completely wrong and you know that. Why keep secret from me? You said b/c we were about to leave, that´s another lie, trying to ruin my reputation. If I was about to leave, why lots of ppl were surprised and felt backstabbed? Maybe because you didnt know we were leaving, so your answer is lame, trying to justify and ruin ppl reputation.

2) I lost count on how many times I helped our members, since I join. EO granted me with a sackholder 1 month after I joined. Why? Hard Work, friendship, trustworthy, my friends knows that they can believe in my words. Unfortunately EO grew up a lot. And now all I see is half LS who leech the others for own purposes. Get what you want then dont give a f... to help the others. I told them before, I have a list of 36 pl in EO I decided to ignore and not help. I told Markus: "Markus this is not me and you all know, thats one of the reasons I dont wanna be in EO anymore"

3)I had this conversation with Markus b/c there is no sense of fighting, we had lots of awesome moments together and I dont wanna delete this with fights.

4) About this thread, I´m sorry Markus, but calling me a liar it´s not what I expected after we talked. I think you should at least kept our conversation in our minds, and hoping for a better new day. And not using as some kind of proof to keep your reputation up and ruin mine.

5) After our search comment fight, Jon talked to me and asked why? I said I wasn´t the first to put comments to start a fight. But I decided to say Im sorry to you for respect and grateful for all our moments. And mainly to stop this stupid fight.

6) About the bank subject you are right, we can´t prove. We didnt have and never did access to bank. All gains were posted, all sells, same. Payout same. But I told you, I follow Aerya, first he is my friend and I believe in him. If I wasnt half of what I am thanks to EO, I wouldnt be 90% If I didnt find Aerya. But I´m sorry, I think lots of things should be showed to members, and weren´t.

7) The money Aerya referred mainly was the one who we got since August or September when we started our HNM stuffs, EO started payout on January right? Based on all gains from January-April, deducing all EO spent (dynamis, hooked up Morbid when he came back, and others issues) we think that balance is waaay to far from what we expected. And yes, where is the money we made when we started our events till December? IDK. I´m not accusing sum1 of stealing, but I don´t think it´s right either. If someone used, idk. Maybe Seedbank got jacked.

8)When Aerya started the thread why ppl only used excuses, instead of debating and trying to explain the real thing? You told me Markus, that thread about Bank balance should be fixed faster and the end of that thread was lame. I think you all should show to all members, It´s LS money, all the balance since August, September when EO started doing Gods. Post everything, what we got, what we sell, what we paid, what we sponsored.

9) All my gears I use with pride, I use because EO helped me get´em.

In resume

I decided to leave EO b/c of some members who realy used us and still use, I´m tired of that. And the money management. I´m not an employee, I´m a member.

Markus I still admire you, our conversation was to put an end in that subject, but now I´m seeing, our converstion being used to ruin me and my friends reputation. I´m sorry I didnt liked it.

Maybe to put an end is forgetting all what happened, and we ignore each other. Probably it´s the best and only choice. T.T

I never called no1 a thief. But I never said the management was being honest either.

Please ignore my presence, I need to move on and have fun in game with my friends. I wont use tells, or search comments to ruin sum1. I tried to put an end in this but I´m seeing that ppl dont wanna stop.

This is just a game. People who wanna follow you , grats, go for it. I´m not asking any1 in EO to come to me. Please /blist me, it´s the better you all can do, If I receive a tell I´ll do it. And dont delete any other threads, let people see what Beren posted, What was said to Fluffy (everyone loves Fluffy, she is one of the nicest ppl I met, and lots of you slaped her)

Move on, have fun with your friends, but dont call me a liar. I´m not lieing to steal ppl fro EO, I dont need that. I´m not using the bank issue to steal people from you. Like others members, imo, they are using EO to get some gears then they will find a new home, like some did after we left. Lots of ppl aren´t happy. And we had lots of demonstrations. Some mts... some ppl lieing that said "I´m busy, I´m login out" then is exping BST in Altepa Desert...Some ppl has respect for you e left w/o using points or getting paid then leaving, that´s not right. I left EO with 100+ points or close to that.

I am loyal to my friends, they are loyal to me too.


Imohtep

[Markus]

Guess what? I brought back the other threads.

As far as the rest goes, I don't care anymore. It really isn't worth the effort. I know what is what. 35 people online in [EO] knows what is what.

Next time you don't want someone to know that I am not a thief. Don't set it as your search comment ^^

[Krazi]

I'm not arguin or anything I just have a thought.

iirc the gil that had been raised from the begining to when we started the payout thing was given to members right before we started the payout thing. It was a flat number, or based off of something. I cant remember. I just remember we cleared the bank before we started the new system.

[lolAerya]

ya, I wonder who it went to, cause before I came up with the payment system everything went to bank and I never saw any of that money...
you're right markus, noone heard your side of the history, but u never gave any... what happened to the money from setember to december? who's secretly being benefited with the "tax" everyone is paying for the bank? zanne asked about it, where's your version?
it must be a tax to be in EO, since it's not the members money, it's tempus and markus money to do w/e they please secretly
what happened to friends and family when fluff posted? that's how u treat your friends and family? looks like it, cause when someone atempts to be your friend you stab them in the back once more calling them liers and decievers...
just cause she's not 20 she doesn't deserve respect? she must be made fun of her age? I wonder if that's the treatment you give to your friends and family members...
so beren openly says we were lied to and decieved because someone heard a rumor that we were leaving the ls and that's just fine, now u want people to stop and listen to your side of the history that u never give?
we can't be trusted over a rumor, but your shs are openly saying they're lieing, hidding information, don't know where the bank's money is going and ya, you can be trusted just because, just because the bank is hidden and we can't know how much it is, letting people know what is happening to their money is too risky
all the members who left, left for their own reasons, I left cause I don't like being lied to, being decieved and then made fun of cause I was just being played all along, because I don't like how people are not respected here, because things are ran secretly
do I have to say why fluff left? and imoh?
I'm not lieing and decieving people, I'm just giving people an option to be in a place where they don't have to stand this kind of bs and aparently they're enjoying a lot, saying it's fun to play the game again and be between friends, isn't that how everyone wants to play the game?
some may blindly follow u and don't care if it's their money or not, how they're treated, if they have to hide during ls events or w/e, some not, and I don't need to decieve those to make them think for they own
I didn't aprove the comment war thing, nor I wanted to participate in this little blame game in threads, I want to play and have fun, and that's what I'm doing right now, but I'm not gonna sit and watch the apology imoh made to try to keep your friendship be turned around and used against him, against me, that's just too low...
and here I was thinking I wouldn't have to read comments where u were begging to be trusted after a shout fight with tempus over who stole the money, or the rummors about how bank gil was being used to finance hq atempts or all the other bs that should just be put an end to so we can get on with our lives, then I hear markus is stabing backs again... sad... that's just sad
but then again, I'm just using circular bs argumentation right? where I say stuff and ask for facts and get answers saying that I didn't tell that my plan asking for the banks balance was to reduce the ls tax... to give more payment to members... that would just hurt the ls, so evil, I didn't say my plan...
oh well, now I don't have to pay tax to ls anymore ^^
now go on and say I didn't tell what my plan was or how I need to grow up or even curse at me again for thinking for myself, it's all good, when I see u I'll still bow and wave, I don't hate you, I just didn't want to be decieved anymore
good luck

[alanthiana]

aerya said:

I didn't aprove the comment war thing, nor I wanted to participate in this little blame game in threads

Then stop posting. Let it die. All bridges do not have to be burned for things to come to a conclusion.

In the end, no one is going to force you to believe anything. You've already left. Why come back and go over the same arguement again and again?

I trust Markus.
I trust Tempus.
I trust Jonathan.
I trust all the other shellholders.

I've made my choice. I live by my choice.

Live by the one you made, and stop coming back to argue, as the only one you seem to be trying to convince is yourself.

[lolAerya]

aerya said:

I didn't aprove the comment war thing, nor I wanted to participate in this little blame game in threads, I want to play and have fun, and that's what I'm doing right now, but I'm not gonna sit and watch the apology imoh made to try to keep your friendship be turned around and used against him, against me, that's just too low...
and here I was thinking I wouldn't have to read comments where u were begging to be trusted after a shout fight with tempus over who stole the money, or the rummors about how bank gil was being used to finance hq atempts or all the other bs that should just be put an end to so we can get on with our lives, then I hear markus is stabing backs again... sad... that's just sad
but then again, I'm just using circular bs argumentation right? where I say stuff and ask for facts and get answers saying that I didn't tell that my plan asking for the banks balance was to reduce the ls tax... to give more payment to members... that would just hurt the ls, so evil, I didn't say my plan...
oh well, now I don't have to pay tax to ls anymore ^^

in case u missed, read again ^^
should put the secret benefiting people too, but nvm

[Markus]

Good luck.

[nedicinevi]

Who took the cookie from the cookie jar?!

[Bridger - Retired Paladin]

aerya said:

LOL and yes Bridger, you really dont need me or Aerya or Bale. It´s easy to replace us. The same way you dont need us, we dont need members like you, who goes to events when is intersting to you.

It's funny you know my intentions w/o ever talking to me. Trying to cause drama? Maybe you like putting words in my mouth. I never said we didn't need you Aerya or Bale, I said we didn't need people who would leave over rumors about Marcus who didn't even talk to Marcus about the rumor. We also don't need member who are going to blatently make stuff up w/o knowing any facts.

For the record, I play 10-15 hours a week. 2/3 of that time is at events: sky or dynamis.

So I guess I only go when interested, like when I go to Dynamis - Windurst and Bastok over and over again when I already have AF from the 1 job I play. Ya, that's just a blast, doing the Dynamis that I never needed win for, and in the case of Bastok, had the AF since before I joined LS.

I posted in my original app I would be at 1-2 events/week, and have done 1-2 events/week as I orignally claimed.

Maybe I go swing dancing every Tuesday at the Avalon to pickup girls I don't know. Maybe I spend Sunday night with relatives. Hard to know w/o talking to me. Maybe I have real life conflicts with some events because my job doesn't revolve around 9 to 5.

Whatever you want to make up that makes you feel better Imo, go for it. This is my last post in the off topic section of those who left. If you want to perpetuate drama, you're going to have to do it with someone else.

Have a good one I wish you well. I'll even give you a gift.

www.edensls.com/

Apply to Synergy. Click on link. Guess who that Paladin running in in 1/2 Gallant Armor 1/2 Lords Armor on the picture on the front page is. That's me last December, before I had hit 73 with Pld.

I give this to you, because I truely hope you attain 1 of 2 things from it:

A) Find a new home
B) Realize how good you had it.

Either way, you are better off.

Here's Clovers btw s10.invisionfree.com/LS_Clovers_titan/

[Markus]

nedicinevi said:

Who took the cookie from the cookie jar?!

Lmao. He did it!!

[Jonathan]

This is what was done with the accumulated gil prior to switching over to our current monthly payout system:

tempus said:

Here is what I want to pay out before "resetting" the bank.

Total Bank: 12 060 000

Current Member's Bank Balance: 8 442 000

Suggested Payout: 6 300 000

Remaining Member's Bank Balance of 2 142 000 will be moved into the Group Bank and the new banking rules for monthly payouts will start to be applied.

I split the payout into 3 categories, I placed people in the categories by rough participation in sky events. I did not just go by point values, but also considered how often the members have come on runs. Yes I should have posted this before xmas day =P


125k per person Payout

125k x 44 people = 5 500 000

Aerya (RDM) : 49
Alanthiana (WHM) : 41
Asheera (BLM) : 80
Axia (WHM) : 42
Bale (NIN) : 19 (HNM-MVP Sep 05)
Batteryacid (BLM/WHM) : 0
Brokensword (WHM) : 25
Charon (RDM) : 6
Codeine (RDM) : 20
Damfool (PLD/WAR) : 82 (HNM-MVP Oct 05)
Danta (MNK) : 3
Destro (RNG/SAM) : 13
Dragelfia (DRG) : 30
Evoker (BLM) : 41
Fehral (RNG) : 12
Fluffnstuff (WHM) : 16
Gael (SAM) : 16
Gamereaver (MNK) : 61
Imohtep (WAR) : 56
Itachisasuke (DRK) : 95
Jenday (PLD) : 76
Jonathan (MNK) : 45
JudgeBlitz (BLM) : 27
JudgeJacobs (RNG) : 16
Krazi (MNK) : 20
Lexxia (WAR) : 20
Lucretsia (BLM): 80
Markus (WHM) : 46
Melica (RDM/WHM) : 21
Miruuk (SMN/WHM) : 4
Morbidangel (BLM) : 55
Morlen (WAR) : 30
Nauren (RNG) : 35 (HNM-MVP Nov 05)
Nedicinevi (WHM) : 44
Nickrhodes (RDM) : 42
Papachubby (NIN) : 50
Redjaxx (RDM) : 11
Relik (PLD/RNG) : 27
Sinful (MNK/RNG) : 48
Sirlancealot (SAM) : 51
Tarick (MNK) : 50 (MVP Nov 05)
Tempus (DRK) : 96
Yunalenne (BLM) : 44
Zorich (BLM) : 33


50k per person Payout

50k x 10 people = 500 000

Chaucer (PLD) : 21
Crimsondeath (THF) : 25
Dragar (THF) : 15
Estara (WHM) : 8
Isabo (WHM) : 15
Mirowr (THF) : 18
Panthercat (WHM) : 18
Rome (RDM) : 21
Virothix (DRG) : 23
Vujaud (RDM) : 11


25k per person Payout

25k x 12 people = 300 000

Conna (SMN) : 6
Flyingsnow (BLM) : 1 (MVP Sep 05)
Gatsu (SAM) : 3
Hayabusa (NIN) : 3
Hercules (SMN) : 4
Kaifu (DRG) : 6
Kautamer (WHM) : 2
Lohice (NIN) : 8
Odyseeus (BRD) : 6
Putumayo (RDM) : 8
Tibent (RDM) : 6
Ygrane (PLD) : 2


I plan to start sending out payouts today if enough of you respond affirmatively to this idea.

-t

Any other lies you'd like to come up with for me to disprove Aerya?
Face it, you know we took nothing. But it doesn't matter, you've already caused enough harm with it.
Just get on with your life so we can get on with our's.
Nobody took anything. Nobody stole anything.