You Voted For Bush? I blame you! ~or~ Every1=Jail

[Nauren]

Thats a good question Sosa..and I'm not sure as to when i would be threatened. As of right now.....I'm not surprised by any court rulings....burglers suing people for falling through sky lights, people suing to remove verterans crosses from the side of the road, suing to stop killing animals for food and suing to prevent people from fishing.

In court...anything can happen..even the military, politicians and government are losing battles in court and they own the court haha. It seems the Executive department is lacking any exucitive power..the legistlative group are making bets at parties while drunk to see who can come up with the most oddball law to pass and the judicial department is saying that nothing..watch how I rule on this case and all laughing about it with their high priced hookers and million dollar parties.

and the only difference between politicians parties and scenes from Calligula (sp) are their suits.


lol btw I didn't smite you

[Sosa]

Well... I wasn't trying to imply you did... lol... but someone did. I just wanted to put the message out there so it doesn't get worse. Last thing we need is for free debate to turn into a fist fight. XD

[Nauren]

in fact I /exalted you back to 5 because its not often you can have a good debate/conversation as adults.

[Sosa]

It was probably my own fault anyway. I try to present points from a logical perspective, but I can come across as offensive to some people. That's just the way I am, those that know me better know I don't mean anything by it.

Still... it'd be interested to see other people post their thoughts on this lol... right now we only have four opinions in the mix.

[Nauren]

Honestly....despite what you see...I'm not a very political person. I know some stuff...and I watch the news..and thats about it. I'm probably approaching this from a very different moralistic philisophical angle that is probably redundant anyways lol. I tend ot over analyze things.

[Gael]

I've had this thought for quite some time now, but this only proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Washington, D.C. doesn't give a shit about the Constitution anymore. All it is is a piece of yellowed paper in an airtight case to them.

I can only hope that whoever takes office once Bush leaves has the stones to at least attempt to undo the damage Bush has done, whether he actually can or not.

EDIT: I also hope whoever takes office after Bush realizes what "separation of church and state" is.

[Sosa]

EDIT: I also hope whoever takes office after Bush realizes what "separation of church and state" is.

Amen.

You are fully entitled to your religious beliefs, regardless of what they are... but they DO NOT belong in our system of government. It should be that simple, but when is it ever, really?

[Nauren]

I agree...however the so called Constitution was forged with morals, values and even direct quotes from the bible. It mentions God a few times. To seperate church and state...then they can not reinstate the constitution as its based on Christianity.

[tarick]

nauren said:

I agree...however the so called Constitution was forged with morals, values and even direct quotes from the bible. It mentions God a few times. To seperate church and state...then they can not reinstate the constitution as its based on Christianity.

The rules of Christianity, at least those that apply to the constitution, were based on already accepted morality anyway. Thou shalt not kill, adulterate, steal...I honestly doubt these were acceptable practices before the ten commandments came along.

[Nauren]

I'm not arguing that point. However thats one tiny small part of Christianity. I'm sure the Constitution was build on these ethics..but others as well. The "In God We Trust" on our dollar bills etc.

btw I'm not arguing any point...None of what I said resembles my personal opinion on the matter. Just stating small facts.

[_Code]

This topic looks safe enough now. hehe, I already got Karma bombed by some child from 15 to the negatives, didn't want to risk it again...

anyway, the country is based on Christianity. The original settlers, everything has roots in christianity, but as everything else, we've evolved to a melting pot of different beliefs, ideals, ways of thoughts. Its not a disregard of our roots or heritage, but Religion has no place in our governmental decisions.... or appointment of officers

/em points at Harriet Maiers again.....

And the term "Holy Crusade" should never be used when sending American troops to their death. Just because fewer Americans have died in our recent conflicts then older conflicts doesn't make it an acceptable number.

_Code

[tarick]

Why don't I like to argue politics?

You won't change anybody's mind. Everybody has their opinion set by the time they are able to argue. Whichever party has a president in office, the other party will bash him about something. The news isn't worth watching or listening to anymore. You can either go left wing with the major networks, or right wing with fox. There is no unbiased news organization.

I've never understood the obsession with the constitution. Why is it that the original drafters knew more than everyone else? Granted, it's nice that there's some sort of ground that can't just swing with each administration, but why is the damn thing so important? We can blame the government for not stopping the terrorists on 9-11, but when they have an idea to stop it in the future, gotta make sure it's constitutional. Big brother isn't gonna watch you...big brother could give a shit about you.

The main problem with America is not the government, not any singular person in the government, in my opinion. The main problem, as I see it, is people's reluctance to take accountability for themselves. It is people who feel the need to blame somebody else for every problem in their lives. People who feel that they are entitled to something just for existing.

This relates to ffxi too. How many times have you seen "SE should step in and do something about the economy" The economy is in your hands people. There's no government out there to regulate it. You are not entitled to an emperor pin or a scorpion harness. Sure, some people cheat to get those items. Think every rich person in RL got their $$$ legitimately?

meh, sorry, no order, don't even know if I addressed what the thread was about. oh well.

[Nauren]

It makes it acceptable because they died for what they believe in. They joined...they went and they fought for the country. The deaths of our military should NEVER be looked at negatively in any aspect. They died honorably and the fact that we can reduce that number from previous conflicts by 98% is amazing. Have you noticed that the largest majority of Bush supporters are current and veteran soldiers?

Hell..name a war or conflict that had a better purpose.

All the wars in American History were over keeping black slaves, killing indians..populating America before the French, helping the french. This is the only war/conflict..that the people of the country actually are looking up to America and thanking them for their help.

Also..if religion has no place in the government..then the Constitution...Bill of Rights etc should all be abolished. There isn't going to be a decent reformation. You can't redo a document like that.


hehe and Tarick..I think you addressed this thread perfectly.

[tarick]

nauren said:

I'm not arguing that point. However thats one tiny small part of Christianity. I'm sure the Constitution was build on these ethics..but others as well. The "In God We Trust" on our dollar bills etc.

btw I'm not arguing any point...None of what I said resembles my personal opinion on the matter. Just stating small facts.

The morals and values is a tiny small part of christianity? They encompass 6 of the 10 commandments.

Personally, I don't think "separation of church and state" is a case worth arguing either way, in most cases. Does it really matter if someone has a copy of the 10 commandments in the courtroom? Only if they decide to sentence someone for not keeping the Sabbath.

And yet, this was a major news item for how many weeks. People just have to find something to complain or argue about, I guess.

[tarick]

nauren said:

Also..if religion has no place in the government..then the Constitution...Bill of Rights etc should all be abolished. There isn't going to be a decent reformation. You can't redo a document like that.

I hate to belabor the point, but you're missing it. The parts of the constitution that matter, that apply to religion, are the morals and values. These morals and values are not copyrighted by Christianity. They existed before the 10 commandments. The "In God we trust", while relatively harmless, are also inert in terms of what they add to the founding documents. There's no reason for their inclusion. Trying to have them excluded, would also be a pointless endeavor, in my opinion.