SH 15M WTF?

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I think thats more to what your definition of "productive" is. You get joy out of all those things you listed, he gets joy from playing FF. I understand and agree to your "Live life to the fullest", but moreso, I believe that one person has no say over anothers actions or life. Its what he chooses to do, doesn't affect anyone else, if he wants to shoot bisquick into his big toe, thats his buisness. If he's not hurting anyone else, and he doesn't blame anyone else for his situation, why is it anyone else's business what he does? In the end, he'll only have himself to blame if he feels the time wasted.

In the end, we are all dust, its just how we spend our time that tells our story. Thats just how he wants to spend his time.

[chaucer]

codeine said:

In the end, we are all dust, its just how we spend our time that tells our story. Thats just how he wants to spend his time.

Existentialist? lol
sound like the Fredrick Niche variety also.

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*Friedrich Nietzsche

nice call. I am a reader of Nietzsche. hehe

[chaucer]

codeine said:

*Friedrich Nietzsche

nice call. I am a reader of Nietzsche. hehe

LOL...yeah that's the spelling...i obviously suck at spelling...shows in the game. actually my spelling is ok...i just dont give a fuck anymore....lol

Well it's rather obvious that u are existentialist from what i read what u write....as long as u dont like Camus we are cool =P

[-=[Tork]=-]

I do agree with you... but it is sad to see a friend who could have so much more have so little, i don't try and change him or anything i'm just pointing out that that kind of life is a pretty sad one imo

[-=[Tork]=-]

and i don't think nietzsche would agree with that life style at all.... he was all about power and strength even though he himself never lived up to his own expectation of what a powerful individual was supposed to be.

[chaucer]

brandon said:

and i don't think nietzsche would agree with that life style at all.... he was all about power and strength even though he himself never lived up to his own expectation of what a powerful individual was supposed to be.

Hmmm..i haven't read existentialism in over 15 years but from what i remember Nietzche was about finding 1 passion to get something out of nothingness.

Anyway damn iit i'm trying to change the subject.

[-=[Tork]=-]

lol,,,,,,,,, he wrote a lot about a lot of different things but from what i got out of it was trying to commit your self to an ideal... that ideal would be so great that you would be above everything else because you lived life so fierce and powerful... its been a couple years since i've read anything.

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Wow... Chaucer, you and I really need to have some talks, Albert Camus is, however, also on my required reading list. I assume your not a fan? How can someone who's obviously well read not love "The Stranger"? Depends on my mood I suppose, Camus' alittle dreary for my mood lately. But still value alot from him. Nicely called.

Dunno, i'm working on Nabokov atm, alittle closer to Nietzsche i suppose.

Anyway: I see what your saying, Tork, and completely understand your opinion. But let me put in a true analogy. I never went to my High School Prom. I was always told by family that I'd deeply regret it one day, it was sad for them to see me not get any enjoyment, or even want to enjoy something as "major" as a High School prom. But I never went, and to this day, have no regrets over not going. It just wouldn't have made me happy to go. I understand this analogy isn't quite to the macrophage that you see his inactivity and unsocialism is. But in essence its the same idea. Alittle Nihilistic maybe, but there's the Nietzschism again.

As for Nietzsche, he taught Nihilism, and the totality and futility of existance as well, not just empowerment, and alot of his empowerment was more of a chavaunistic view. Very sexist, women are subhuman etc, so in all honesty, Nietzsche wasn't "Grab the bull by the horns, live life to the fullest" in his empowerment messages. hehe ^^

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brandon said:

lol,,,,,,,,, he wrote a lot about a lot of different things but from what i got out of it was trying to commit your self to an ideal... that ideal would be so great that you would be above everything else because you lived life so fierce and powerful... its been a couple years since i've read anything.

yeah, maybe thats what your roomates doing? his ideal, however is playing this game ('.^d)

Two sides to every coin.

Btw: Quote from "Will to Power"

... first, when we have sought a 'meaning' in all events that is not there: so the seeker eventually becomes discouraged. Nihilism, then, is the recognition of the long waste of strength, the agony of the 'in vain', insecurity, the lack of any opportunity to recover and to regain composure -- being ashamed in front of oneself, as if one had 'deceived' oneself all too long.
... secondly, when one has posited a totality, a systemization, indeed any organization in all events, and underneath all events, and a soul that longs to admire and revere has wallowed in the idea of some supreme form of domination and administration ... [M]an has lost the faith in his own value when no infinitely valuable whole works through him; i.e., he conceived such a whole in order to be able to believe in his own value.
Given these two insights, ... an escape remains: to pass sentence on this whole world of becoming as a deception and to invent a world beyond it, a true world. But as soon as man finds out how that world is fabricated solely from psychological needs, and how he has absolutely no right to it, the last form of nihilism comes into being: it includes disbelief in any metaphysical world and forbids itself any belief in a true world.

thank you Wikipedia!

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[-=[Tork]=-]

lol I'm in a paty and trying to post shit... i'll properly respond in a bit

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it should also be said that Nietzsche's "will to power" was towards the end of his life... about the time he contracted Syphallis from a whore....... Alot of his writing was very hard to read and not as clear at this time.

[-=[Tork]=-]

I guess i'm kind of pulling things out of his belief of an Ubermensch by which you would become...

1. By his will to power, manifested destructively in the rejection of, and rebellion against, old ideals and moral codes;
2. By his will to power, manifested creatively in overcoming nihilism and re-evaluating old ideals or creating new ones.
3. By a continual process of self-overcoming.

got that from wikipedia.... just seems to me like a stagnate world of playing video games and not doing any of those things like actually thinking(my room mate probaly has thought up 1 original thought in his life)

[Nauren]

how do you guys enjoy this? lol This sounds like a guy who has nothing better to do but give names to things in life that don't matter lol. I'm not stepping on anyone's "ism's". I've personally been known to be moralistic and breaking things down into too small of a piece but damn lol.

But Code will tell you that I personally like to dumb things down. Not so much for my own benefit and not because its easier..but why live in a world that nobody else understands.

Beer+Doritos = Heaven = Naurenism

Simple clean and truthful.

code and I often tell jokes that Yuna and Angel will look at us like "what are you talking about" when only him and I get it. Probably one of the reasons we are friends since we both are so unlike one another.

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a "continual process of self-overcoming" i like that, and i just don't see that happening in his life style so, i don't think nietzsche would look to favourably upon that life stytle when you would be talking about becoing and uvermensch but i can see what you also mean in the other ideas that nihilism puts forth.