Kaifu1
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Post by Kaifu1 on Nov 29, 2005 10:11:52 GMT -5
Considering I can't post in the "member's" area or see if its there, this will have to do.
So, Dragoons change, I'm both in love and hating it at the same time.
Good~ We won't be so gimp anymore. Changing the Call Wyvern over into a 20 min ablilty instead of the two hour does a few things for us. Gives the drg/whm main healer (thats me) the ablity to keep going, and in the odd chance that your Wvyern is taken out by an AOE attack, it won't stop the party from exping. Also it keeps our DoT up incase of a semi-normal pt. "Normal" pts seem to like to fight mobs that have a AOE attack which equals "bad" for Wyverns.
The new 2 hour. Intill I actually get to use it, I'm mostly specuating on what it can do. From what it sounds like, it buffs your "Jumps" and add's effect to them. Mostly likely "Chance to stun" a increase in damage, and maybe a decrease in recast time to dish out some quick damage. Then, get rid of all that hate with 1 Super Jump at the end <3
The Bad~ All ready I have heard people say "After the update I'm going to lvl drg" and that pisses me off. What about those drg who worked all the way to the top, or near the top, being "gimped" the whole way? I did all that F-ing work, all that soloing just to have all my hard work defeated by an update... Plus it will ruin my saying *points to quote underneath Avatar*
We'll no longer be the few, the proud, the lonely, Dragoons...
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Post by Nauren on Nov 29, 2005 10:16:53 GMT -5
PM Tempus for member access
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Post by tarick on Nov 29, 2005 10:28:21 GMT -5
Welcome to the club.
Monk, you know, the job that does shitty damage, can't compare to the WS damage of a drk or thief, and of course, can't even participate in the only skillchain that mobs are weak to until lvl 60. We were once shunned as well.
Though there wasn't an update that changed our job (unless you count the rng nerf), the perception has definitely changed since I started the game. While it was originally the long, lonely road...now it is a road full of invites(comparatively), and of people who know what DOT means.
The one thing that will save dragoon from being overrun, is that your damage is still split with your pet. You will never put up the great numbers, unless you parse it and add your pet damage. The people that you worry about, the ones who went ranger purely to be the most uber, won't go dragoon because the numbers won't be obvious.
That's just my opinion though. I could be wrong (I'm not)
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Post by BS on Nov 29, 2005 10:52:52 GMT -5
In my mind, there's a HUGE thing to consider now that drg is being "pimped out"
HNM VIABILITY!
think about it.
wyvern isn't dead for another 2 hours now.
wyvern gets subtle blow (less TP gain by the mob)
wyvern has an innate ignore defense on it's attacks (so it will hit for about the same as a rng's standard attacks or something like that)
Wyvern rate of attack is very good
DRG's wheeling thrust WS has an innate ignore defense
Given these 4 things, it seems like drg could be a kickass melee DoT against HNMs!
throw in whm subjob for curaga effects and ability to stonesking themselves, and you've got one HELL of a decent DD/support healer for HNM battles.
things to consider:
what about going all out damage as a drg against HNMs? does this make DRGs the new RNG against HNMs?
p.s. feel free to flame me and call me an idiot, i want constructive thought on this. but cmon imagine an HNM alliance with 1 dragoon in each party- that's some serious DD and some serious backup support with healing breath
on a sidenote: i don't want to sound like a bandwagon fan or anything, but...
i want to lvl dragoon now. My old character was a 48 dragoon before I deleted and started over with Bsword.
I remember how much i loved my little wyvern, and how much FREAKING damage the dragoon job was dishing out until around lvl 50- (yes, i really do believe that drg is the best DD with the right gear at low lvls- i was chaining 3 toughs in ronfaure for the love of god as an elv drg)... maybe it's time to dust off the old lance...
besides, you gotta admit that DRG AFv2 is the hottest shit in this damn game :-D
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Post by oko on Nov 29, 2005 11:07:56 GMT -5
Wait ...
when i and Tofs started FF i think 2 years ago.
DRG r great DD
i remenber watching tofs plays a drg in GC killing chaber beetles .
PEntatrust ! woot
each hit u put on mob using it u get tp if u rit all 5 hts on mobe u get 60% tp +2 jump + some hits = pentatrust again and there it goes , well drg/sam , i need say something.
well after some update they gimped all it i said so >.> DRG is no more =(
DRG was a uber DD using pentatrust >.> fast tp though , DRG/SAm doing it beat all jobs geting TP and doing dmg >.>
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Post by oko on Nov 29, 2005 11:10:24 GMT -5
DRG work on some low HNM (serket , ROC and his buds) but on GODS and other HNM's all they can do is spirits within =/ sad but trust ; ; DRH af body . Oko's Wyvern Uses Berserk >.> // // // Soul Eater // // // Divine seal O.o , its possible c,c <ask> ability to use suport job abilitys so /war / drk /whm ............ |
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Post by BS on Nov 29, 2005 11:11:56 GMT -5
yeah the multi-hit weaponskill TP nerf KILLED drg/sam.
i remember how they used to spam pentathrust - it was sick :-D
now, the most popular job combo seems to be drg/war or drg/thf...
although drg/whm = one of the best soloers in the game :-D
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Post by tarick on Nov 29, 2005 11:13:59 GMT -5
Oh, also
More female elvaan dragoons in hot pants can't be a bad thing.
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Post by Nauren on Nov 29, 2005 11:52:11 GMT -5
great...Ranger is now the worse DD of the entire game  |
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Post by oko on Nov 29, 2005 12:00:45 GMT -5
Its a lie Nauren
RNG still good just not the greatest DD of game and can keep Doing great dmg too.
just lil more hard to play.
just no more 2k slug shot >.>
rng can keep doing 100+ per hit just need keep moving position for do a good dmg =/
btw mnks can do good dmg too >.>
hehe and tanks hate mnks >.< i dono if any of our tank pted with a mnk using vinhus cesti , 0 delay cesti , impossible to gauge hate puller >< tank need work hard , 200 dmg WS of this mnk can get mob out of the tnk easy , and 500 from any other job dont will, i hold 1k+ sidewinder in one pt with on of this mnk and he did 300 dmg dragon kick =/ got hate out of me >.<
if anyone haste he he can tank easy =p
mnks own drk on hate pull >.> , soul eater too weak
i know i runned a lil out of this thred c.c'
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Post by morbidangel on Nov 29, 2005 12:08:51 GMT -5
DRG was my first job past 40, I leveled it through the ridicule and wyvern bashing thinking "what's wrong with DRG?" all the way to 59. Once I started to get higher in level I started to see that DRG was ineffective end-game and that's why I swithched to BLM. To this day I still love DRG and put my AF on and cruise around with Lady out just for the hell of it sometimes and after much consideration I will be taking DRG as my next job to 75. Yes the update did help with this decision (hell, even I didn't want to pt with me when my wyvern died and had to wait 1:47 min.) so I will be farming to save up for a SH and then i'm DRG all the way baby!
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Post by oko on Nov 29, 2005 12:13:01 GMT -5
Morbid really look cutie on DRG af armor >.>
but i like Lady more
he did paralina on me and i fall i love for she in Xarcabard
=)
/cheer Morbid !!!!
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Kaifu1
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Post by Kaifu1 on Nov 29, 2005 12:30:41 GMT -5
In my mind, there's a HUGE thing to consider now that drg is being "pimped out" HNM VIABILITY! think about it. wyvern isn't dead for another 2 hours now. wyvern gets subtle blow (less TP gain by the mob) wyvern has an innate ignore defense on it's attacks (so it will hit for about the same as a rng's standard attacks or something like that) Wyvern rate of attack is very good DRG's wheeling thrust WS has an innate ignore defense Given these 4 things, it seems like drg could be a kickass melee DoT against HNMs! throw in whm subjob for curaga effects and ability to stonesking themselves, and you've got one HELL of a decent DD/support healer for HNM battles. things to consider: what about going all out damage as a drg against HNMs? does this make DRGs the new RNG against HNMs? p.s. feel free to flame me and call me an idiot, i want constructive thought on this. but cmon imagine an HNM alliance with 1 dragoon in each party- that's some serious DD and some serious backup support with healing breath on a sidenote: i don't want to sound like a bandwagon fan or anything, but... i want to lvl dragoon now. My old character was a 48 dragoon before I deleted and started over with Bsword. I remember how much i loved my little wyvern, and how much FREAKING damage the dragoon job was dishing out until around lvl 50- (yes, i really do believe that drg is the best DD with the right gear at low lvls- i was chaining 3 toughs in ronfaure for the love of god as an elv drg)... maybe it's time to dust off the old lance... besides, you gotta admit that DRG AFv2 is the hottest shit in this damn game :-D I agree with alot of this, but /whm is a bit differnt then what one would think right off that bat. (I appogize in advance if you already know how Healing Breath works) Its not a matter of accually casting Cure II on the tank, you cast Dia (or any other quick low costing spell, a Barwatera in case of a super fast healing) on the mob, this proxs the Wyvern to use Healing Breath on the person who has the lowest HP %. Be it the tank or the silly drk/thf who pulled hated onto the whm some how with SATA...*shudder, that was a long night...* Now the % is 1/2 your total HP, so a tank with super VIT isn't going to work all to well, best tank is a Galka with some HP + gear. Alot of trust helps, that poor plds HP is going to be in the yellow most the time hehe, fun fun. And with that, I don't see the us healing all to much in a HNM battle, where in low HP means a quick death. ( I think, as I have yet to had the joy of killing an HNM) But, I see your point as where we'll be great in that back up role, AND still dealing out decent damage. Back on Topic though, I'll agree with Tarick though, we don't do that uber "OMG 1.5k WS! LOLWTFBBQKITTEN" We (drg and mnks) are those guys who keep the hp ticking. So, I guess I won't freat over all those nerfed rngs, who went to war/nin "DD orny" moving on to drg anytime soon... but who knows. On a side note, if any of you want to try a drg/whm main heal pt, get a hold of me in game, Ferinin(drg/whm), Saruman(pld/war), Zeroblade(rdm/depends) and I(drg/whm) are the main parts of the Static, so that leaves room open for a DD or a Brd. Or you can come and watch us in aww. *Time to boast* Also with this set up, we killed Ose during our exp party in the Labyrith of Ozono (or however you spell it)lvl 65ish. It was great! We kind looked at him, and said, "hey, why not, we're already crazy for having drg main heal..." and we got the drop ^^ best night ever, of course... Ferinin got the damn Assault Jerkin *jerk  * |
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Post by morbidangel on Nov 29, 2005 13:16:03 GMT -5
Morbid really look cutie on DRG af armor >.> but i like Lady more he did paralina on me and i fall i love for she in Xarcabard =) /cheer Morbid !!!! LMFAO!!!!! |
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Post by gladius on Nov 29, 2005 13:30:57 GMT -5
whats up with all the rng stereotyping, " OMG RNG 1337 PwNZ0rs ALl went to BLM OR WAR!!!" ummmm no i didnt , in exp against ITs i still put up good numbers (ie. 700-900 sidewinders or 400-600 barrages) so cut out all the RNG nerf stuff lol RNG/WAR = RNG/nin pre update try pting with me |
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