hmm..

[abixon]

I'm here... so lets talk.

[mirowr]

What are your thoughts on today's economy?

[abixon]

I came here to talk to Markus..

[Meeka]

I think he meant for you to chat in the chatroom last night....

[abixon]

I received an e-mail from Markus saying to create an account on this forum, Specifically to talk to him.. I never once received an invite to a chat room.

[Markus]

If you wanna chat, the make a post.

When I am angry or upset or have something to say, I am usually able to get a couple paragraphs down.

The ball is in your court... I suggested by starting on how you feel and why you feel that way.

[abixon]

First of all, my sister loves that game, My parents know it's the only way for her to be social and interact with other people. She goes to a school with only 20 people, including staff, teachers, and students. Before she got this game she was in the hospital because of certain problems with anxiety, OCD, major depression, mood disorders, and identity issues. She had a fear of going into public places with alot of people. When she got out she had become better and had gotten FFXI for her birthday. She had been wanting it since the NA release.

Now from what I here she may have been a little over doing it, but thats part of her Mood disorder and depression. Don't get me wrong but sometimes she needs help with it, not for it to worsen. I know I may have come off on the wrong foot as well, but we're talking about my little sister here.. How could I not be mad when she's upset about something? I understand EO is like a family from what my sister says when she used to be a part of your group. But even as an ex-member.. shouldnt you still atleast treat her like a friend? I read all these posts including her name in it, and some of them I just can't handle with the fact that it pisses me off. As a family(if you call it that) your supposed to help people, not harm them. No matter what the costs are. I hear my sister has gotten alot of help from you guys, but she was a lower lvl when you helped her. How on earth could she possibly return the favor? Maybe now she can help, but back then she didnt know what to help with.

I remember her saying she did do her part sometimes though. She pulled monsters for her whatever key to get some special item, she helped fight some monster named Roc. I'm sure theres more that she did.

[Meeka]

I think as a whole, we can be a pretty understanding group (although I'm only speaking for myself here...) Thank you for sharing that information with us, as I'm sure people will be respectful of it.

However, I think it should be made clear that Kinya chose to leave. EO did not kick her out. If she wishes to rejoin, it should be addressed, but not in this way. Happenings like this become very muddled via the internet. People say things without realizing them, as I assume happened on your end and our end. I understand what it is like to have FFXI as an outlet, and a social experience. I don't think it was anyone's intention here to make Kinya feel like an outcast. I think what happened was a big misunderstanding, and her feelings - and ours - were misinterpreted.

Maybe I shouldn't be involved in this, but I hate to see us be portrayed as monsters. Kinya chose to leave EO, she was not kicked out for not "being able to help" us. This is getting frustrating because I don't think either side is being represented in the right way.

Kinya, I am sorry for the troubles you have had here. However, if you wish to return to EO, please make it known in a different way. On the internet, the only thing we are able to discriminate against is what someone writes and how someone makes us feel. (Us meaning the human race, me, you, everyone, not just a group of people in a game). No one is singling you out because of who you are. It seems to be because we are being misrepresented as a hateful group of people - which is so far from the truth.

I think everything was misinterpreted and its time to cool off, sit back, regroup.

[gladius]

I think ya should let Kinya back in she helped me with a piece of my AF when no one else would >.>

[zekk]

being anti social, suffering from depression, mood disorders, anxiety, OCD: I know EXACTLY what Kinya is coming from.
(believe it or not, as loud as I am, I was a pretty messed up kid who almost killed himself a few times)
I do talk to Kinya as a friend (she can confirm that) and I'm always going to be a friend of Kinya. I'm ALWAYS on Kinya's side, but sometimes that means I have to say stuff she doesn't want to hear.
Technically, I still consider her in EO and I think I speak for us all that deep down, we all wish this whole thing didn't happen.
Like Meeka (and plenty others) said, we did not kick her out of the linkshell. She decided to leave. there is a HUGE difference between the two. Sure, we got upset because we did help her ALOT, so her leaving us was like a slap in the face.
Don't get it twisted, EO doesn't help people out, then expect something in return. EO is like a family, so helping eachother out is just something that you just do when you can. If you can't, its not a problem, but don't leave at the sight of something bad.

From what I see, the reason the Linkshell is upset is because of the way Kinya resolved the Locke problem. He said some things he shouldn't have said and she handled the situation poorly.
Now: If Locke were to have said stuff to her, and she blocked him, then told a sackholder, this whole thing would probably wouldn't have happened like this. Hell, nothing against Locke, but if I knew that he was saying stuff to her like that, i'd be the first to jump on him. (I'd push Markus out the way and I'd be the first to jump) But it wasn't handled like that.. Instead, it escalated into EO being talked down upon.

If you have a problem with 1 or 2 members, tell a sackholder. don't go on a rant and say "EO is bad" in general, because several other members did nothing to her and it makes them look bad.
This may be hard to understand, but (talking to Abixon now) put urself in our position.
We have a member who we liked and took care of. Then she left the LS because she had a problem with another member... then starts talking negatively about the entire linkshell making it known for the entire FFXI world to see. And then having Kinya's "family member" attack us.
You may not realize this, but the community is VERY small, and reputation plays a HUGE role in this game.
If you are hated, nobody is going to do anything for you.
If you are hated, there's really no sense in playing because you will get nothing done.
If you talk negatively about others publically, you can expect the same thing to be done back to you.
Theres 2 sides to every story, but multiple point of views.

My point of view: we don't want to make enemies of you Kinya, and you have to realize that. But your actions have been provoking us. I know the disorders you have (From what you told me and what Abix said) and I know they suck horrifically, but you have to come clean and just talk to us, or even one of us and we'll relay the message for you. Were not here to harm you and if you can just be straight up with us and trust that were here to help you, everything should work out just fine. May take some time before things get back to normal, but if you hang in there, i assure you... It'll be like you never left.
Cooperate with us regardless of how hard it is, or regardless of how much u think we hate you. (we don't hate you, were just mad at you, and that can be fixed)

[abixon]

She never was saying EO was bad. Right now that Locke, is harrassing her on Allakazham or whatever. If he's a part of your LS I say you do something about it.. He's makeing up lies and to tell you the truth I dont see anyone but one person helping her since Locke posted, Markus your just talking about the MPK issue and some other group, while Locke is dissing out my sister.

[zekk]

abixon said:

She never was saying EO was bad. Right now that Locke, is harrassing her on Allakazham or whatever. If he's a part of your LS I say you do something about it.. He's makeing up lies and to tell you the truth I dont see anyone but one person helping her since Locke posted, Markus your just talking about the MPK issue and some other group, while Locke is dissing out my sister.

We are here to help her, but now we have to deal with other problems BECAUSE of "my sister." People are trying to make more drama and instigate crap that isn't even happening because of "my sister."
In all honesty, what are YOU doing besides making up petty excuses for her and trying to bash us?
I already told her that she has to find some courage and step up and talk to us normally. this "nobody understands me" / "i just want this over" crap isn't cutting it.
What an I doing? I am talking to "my sister." on aim and trying to help out as much as i can.

How do we know Kinya isn't making up lies? (considering this problem wasn't brought our attention in it's proper form)
All Locke is doing is trying to defend himself. (even though he is doing it kinda wrong)

lemme underline something for you...
If you talk negatively about others publically, you can expect the same thing to be done back to you.

Why do you throw stones when you live in a glass house?

[zekk]

you know what.. I had to do this because now Kinya is ANNOYING me with this crap.

Shintomeru: Locke is doing it again..
Shintomeru: on Alla... /sigh
Shintomeru: I just wish this would all stop..
ImNotZekk: i read the post
ImNotZekk: locke isn't doing anything
ImNotZekk: Long Live Synergy?

Just finished speaking with Dukes. He says he booted you Monday... He also says that this won't get you back in shell.
ImNotZekk: markus handled that situation very well
ImNotZekk: unless u can find the courage to step up and stop this
ImNotZekk: I don't see good things coming to/from/for EO
ImNotZekk: www.edeasorphans.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=mgeneral&action=display&thread=1123163649
ImNotZekk: maybe u should read my post
ImNotZekk: tell ur brother to re-read it
ImNotZekk: maybe its just me
ImNotZekk: but he didn't read the part...
ImNotZekk: If you talk negatively about others publically, you can expect the same thing to be done back to you.
Shintomeru is idle at 8:41:18 PM.
Shintomeru is no longer idle at 8:45:28 PM.
Shintomeru: I'm just going to quit.. stop going to EO forums.. stop talking to people from EO.. because this is only getting worse.
ImNotZekk: ..........
ImNotZekk: and i repeat
Shintomeru: I'm sorry.. but thats all I know what to do..
ImNotZekk: .........
Shintomeru: good bye Zekk..
Shintomeru signed off at 8:57:44 PM.
*Messaged her on another screen name and she blocked me again*



I don't feel sorry for you anymore Kinya. Since ur "not gonna check the forums anymore", don't bother responding and making it obvious that ur still gonna check the forums.
I kno u got depression problems and I'm okay with that. I understand that, but I'm not gonna sit back and help someone who doesn't want to be helped.
Bottom Line: you want shit to end, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of backing down from all ur problems! Do you know road ur lined up for? Ur lining up to get pushed around on a daily basis and not speakout and say what you want and do what you want.
EO was here to help, and wanted everything to stop. EO probably still is, but I'm not until u start to show some effort. This is stupid. I'm done. Going back to "I don't care mode" after this next and last post about this topic.

[abixon]

Yeah and this is the only way she knows how to stop, is just to stop all together. You didnt once notice that Locke was being an ass to her on All or whatever? Geez all you do is skim through a pick out the things you dont like. She tries so hard and all you do is nothing. What a great group you have going on here. Just absolutly fabulous. I want you to delete everything Alyson ever posted on these forums and I want you to delete her damn account. She already asked that and yet you dont do it.

[tempus]

abixon said:

Yeah and this is the only way she knows how to stop, is just to stop all together. You didnt once notice that Locke was being an ass to her on All or whatever? Geez all you do is skim through a pick out the things you dont like. She tries so hard and all you do is nothing. What a great group you have going on here. Just absolutly fabulous. I want you to delete everything Alyson ever posted on these forums and I want you to delete her damn account. She already asked that and yet you dont do it.

If she wants to stop, and delete all of her posts on this forum, -she- has the power to do so.

She was not trying when she talked to zekk in that aim chat he posted, nor was she trying yesterday when she and I had an extremely similar conversation.

Dont get me wrong, I dont hate her, she has problems that she needs to resolve. Problems that have absolutely nothing to do with FF or EO. I suggest you, as the caring brother, help her to get them resolved in real life; because thats where the issues stem from. All of her problems here are merely a symptom of her other issues.

And if you think Im bashing her, I too have had emotional problems, talked with shrinks, been on drugs, etc. Ive also had a little sister in the same situation, who was put in involuntariy rehab for most of a year. As zekk said, she does not wish to resolve her problems with EO, she merely wishes to dodge the issues and speak about her real life problems. I do apologize, but those are not our fault, and we cannot help at all unless she allows us to try. And she's not, period.

-t